Earth Notes: Smart Radiator Valves Video
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[00:00]product is Radbot and this thing is technically
[00:04]Radbot 2R, so it's Radbot 2 with a radio in it.
[00:08]I'm Damon Hart-Davis, right, here we go.
[00:11]So tell them what you're gonna tell them.
[00:15]What problem is Radbot trying to solve?
[00:17]What's our solution?
[00:19]A little bit of history, where are we now?
[00:23]And there's a bit of alphabet soup there.
[00:25]How does it work?
[00:26]Don't worry, I won't wait right until then to tell you,
[00:29]but I'll try and make sure I'm in a position
[00:31]to answer a question.
[00:33]And some secrets for devs and the more techy of you in here
[00:37]who'd like to tinker.
[00:38]Okay, so what is the problem?
[00:42]The problem that we're trying to fix is climate change.
[00:46]It's actually written into the articles
[00:49]and memoranda of Vestemi, that its job is to help
[00:52]ameliorate climate change and we're doing it
[00:56]through space heating.
[00:59]So you're probably all aware of these facts,
[01:01]but to reiterate, carbon emissions contribute
[01:05]In the UK, over 10%, I mean, I used to think it was 20%
[01:10]and I saw government as just quoting a number back at me,
[01:12]but I think it's about 10% of all carbon emissions
[01:15]are from domestic space heating.
[01:17]So not water, you know, in the home, not offices,
[01:19]not cooking, domestic space heating.
[01:22]And the scary thing is that maybe half of that
[01:27]in to cut entire carbon emissions that we could just do
[01:30]without and be no colder.
[01:31]And one huge source of that waste is heating empty rooms,
[01:36]e.g. your bedrooms during the day.
[01:38]You sit downstairs in the lounge or whatever,
[01:40]and you only need them warm when you go to bed,
[01:44]And, you know, another problem we're trying to fix
[01:48]is that people do come out with technical solutions,
[01:51]but absurdly technical that need wifi and broadband
[01:55]and Bluetooth and I don't know.
[01:59]One of the systems I tried out, programmable radiator valve,
[02:01]I found too bloody complicated to use.
[02:05]And I have a master's degree in theoretical computer science
[02:11]which convinced me there needed to be a simpler solution.
[02:23]So one of the early things in Open TRV's existence
[02:27]was winning a prize at a thing run by British Gas,
[02:31]which preceded Hive, their connected homes thing.
[02:34]And it was noted that all the winners
[02:37]weren't actually connected.
[02:38]So we're kind of IoT without the eye,
[02:41]but we can do the eye and I'll show you some of that later.
[02:44]So what's the solution?
[02:47]So Red Bot attempts to make it all easy,
[02:51]solve all your problems, having to lift a finger
[02:53]by soft zoning.
[02:55]So a number of you have mentioned
[02:57]that you have multiple zones in your house.
[02:59]So it's not as it used to be,
[03:03]sort of when the arc was being launched,
[03:05]that is either all gets hot or it doesn't all get hot
[03:07]or even worse, you have to balance it
[03:09]'cause some bits overheat and some bits never get warm enough.
[03:13]Treat every occupied space as its own zone
[03:17]for heating control
[03:19]and do it without having actual pipes and valves to do it,
[03:24]but do it with soft zoning.
[03:25]And that's what Red Bot does.
[03:27]Now, some of you've been coalescing multiple radiators
[03:31]in a single room to make a zone, each Red Bot acts by itself.
[03:35]So each radiator really is the zone,
[03:39]but not vast quantity of rooms actually have two radiators.
[03:46]And anyway, Red Bot's quite happy
[03:48]to control those two radiators separately.
[03:50]So what's it all about?
[03:52]How do you save energy?
[03:53]Well, set back the temperature when the room is vacant
[03:55]and likely to be for a while,
[03:57]set it back further when you're even more sure,
[04:01]and on the other hand, start preheating the room
[04:03]when you're predicting occupancy.
[04:05]So hopefully you never walk into a cold room,
[04:07]but do not require anyone to do any programming
[04:12]or connectivity or pay attention, blah, blah, blah, blah.
[04:21]people don't know how to do it, don't do it very well,
[04:23]patterns change and they forget how to do the programming.
[04:26]It's a nuisance to program and it doesn't work very well.
[04:29]And there's reasonable evidence anyway
[04:34]on requiring your attention persist much better,
[04:38]maybe up to the life of the device rather than
[04:40]maybe one to four years otherwise.
[04:43]So Radbot's magic is, I do love it when people ask me
[04:47]in a pitch or something and say,
[04:49]so how does it work?
[04:50]And I say magic with a completely straight face.
[04:54]Mainly light, there are other things going on as well,
[04:58]but stuff like when you flick on the light
[05:00]or draw your coat and the robot knows you're there,
[05:02]when it's pitch black and always is at that time,
[05:05]it can be pretty sure you're either not there or asleep
[05:07]and don't need the heat cranked up,
[05:10]but it also detects your use of controls.
[05:12]And there's other things in development
[05:15]right at this moment.
[05:17]And then that setback size, well, we risk weight it.
[05:19]The more sure we are, you're not in the room,
[05:21]the further we allow the temperature setback.
[05:24]And in the middle of the night, when we're pretty sure
[05:26]that you don't need the heat,
[05:27]we set it back as much as six degrees,
[05:30]which in principle would be a 60% energy saving
[05:32]to a rule of thumb.
[05:33]One degree setback for its duration is about 10%
[05:39]of the heat requirement for that duration.
[05:44]Brief history, oh, go back to 2009 or something,
[05:47]David McKay was writing Sustainable Energy
[05:51]Without the Hot Air.
[05:53]And we were talking about all sorts of things
[05:55]from solar panels onwards.
[05:56]And that's a tiny credit to me,
[05:57]somewhere in the depths of the book.
[05:59]When he got to DEC, he claimed he wrote himself
[06:03]the chief scientist role at DEC by writing that book.
[06:07]And we continue chatting about what was likely
[06:09]to be the best carbon bang for the buck.
[06:11]What should we do?
[06:12]I was very keen to do something.
[06:13]And we decided probably domestic space heating
[06:17]was really ripe for improvement.
[06:18]People do it really badly.
[06:20]Less than half the systems in England, for example,
[06:22]would meet current building regs.
[06:25]They wouldn't be allowed to be built.
[06:27]And those are pretty poor regs.
[06:30]He invited me to organize a meeting.
[06:36]He invited me to lead a meeting at the end of 2012
[06:40]about home heating, including zoning.
[06:43]The great and the good were there, academics
[06:45]and people from BRE and so on.
[06:47]We all agreed that zoning was good
[06:49]and probably some other things as well.
[06:51]So, and some chat from one of the big companies said,
[06:54]oh, and I'll send you all our kit, which does it.
[06:55]Well, nothing happened.
[06:56]And the government didn't do anything.
[06:57]I kind of sent a snippy email in January saying,
[07:00]well, what have you done?
[07:01]It's been months.
[07:02]You haven't done anything.
[07:03]And they said, we're government.
[07:04]We don't do anything in a hurry.
[07:06]So in 2013, I started the open CRV open source project,
[07:11]which is still there.
[07:12]And we'll talk about it in a minute.
[07:13]And in about 2014, created the company.
[07:18]And about 2018 got some really good investors on board.
[07:22]And we changed the name of the company
[07:25]to one that wouldn't frighten utilities and thus Vestemi.
[07:29]And we're commercializing it
[07:30]because it's no good being a boutique tinkerer.
[07:33]There's more than a billion rads,
[07:35]which should benefit from a rad bot.
[07:38]And we're not going to get there by tinkering.
[07:42]We need some real commercial oomph there.
[07:44]We've done testing.
[07:46]So Energy House, I don't know if any of you saw Energy House 2
[07:49]was launched today, which is rather good
[07:51]where they've got Energy House 1.
[07:52]They've got a whole Victorian end of terrace inside a lab.
[07:55]So we tested in there.
[07:57]So we're about 25% energy savings.
[07:59]And we just completed two years of trials
[08:01]with Bays and Off-Gem money in real houses,
[08:06]more than 100 real houses.
[08:08]And we've done other testing, qualitative testing.
[08:11]And yes, it works.
[08:12]We're pretty sure it actually works.
[08:14]It's not a figment of my imagination as the inventor.
[08:17]We're still arguing about how much it works
[08:19]because it's really difficult to measure.
[08:21]But we've got good numbers and our target is up to 30%.
[08:26]So what are we doing now?
[08:27]Sales, sales, sales.
[08:28]Every rad bot can save as much as a tenth
[08:30]of a ton of carbon per year from its rad.
[08:36]And there's quite good--
[08:38]oh, I've got a missing bracket there--
[08:45]in a few hundred bytes of code on an AVR.
[08:51]So that's what it looks like.
[08:53]You don't have to keep your finger on the rad bot.
[08:55]You are allowed to walk away.
[08:57]But that's the boost button on top, if you see.
[08:59]And I press it to close nice and red.
[09:01]Otherwise, it's just like a normal TRV.
[09:03]You set the temperature you want on the dial.
[09:06]And rad bot, when you're in the room,
[09:09]will do its standards to make sure that is the temperature.
[09:11]Clearly, it can't work miracles if your boiler isn't on or
[09:14]something.
[09:15]But it will do its standards.
[09:17]Rad bot will also, with a boiler controller,
[09:19]but it's not the way we're selling it,
[09:21]any rad bot can call for heat.
[09:23]And so if you do that boost, it will turn the boiler on for you.
[09:28]So some alphabets, alphabets spaghetti,
[09:32]SAP, GHD, ECo3, alphabet soup.
[09:36]So where would we be without TLAs and ETLAs?
[09:40]And for those who don't know, three letter acronyms and
[09:42]extended three letter acronyms.
[09:45]So we've had some pretty industry awards,
[09:47]like the one down in bottom right,
[09:49]which I seem to only got a monochrome version of.
[09:51]It was shiny, the original one.
[09:53]But the important thing was that at the very end of September,
[09:56]we went into the SAP tables.
[09:58]SAP is the standard assessment procedure,
[10:00]which, for example, drives your energy performance
[10:03]certificate for your house.
[10:05]And you need to get on that to go into all sorts of programs.
[10:08]And for example, now people can pay for rad bots under the green
[10:12]homes grant as a secondary measure.
[10:15]And the thing that we're currently pending is all our
[10:18]stuff is sitting with off gem to go and spot up on their fingers
[10:20]and toes and see if they will accredit us for the ECo3
[10:24]program.
[10:27]So how does it work?
[10:28]Well, I told you magic already, but maybe you won't believe me.
[10:32]It's just like a mechanical TRV for the normal human beings we
[10:39]want to use it.
[10:39]If we're going to get anything like a billion of them in,
[10:41]it can't be too fancy.
[10:43]So it's just like a mechanical TRV.
[10:46]And like a more normal mechanical TRV,
[10:48]one of its jobs is to stop overheating.
[10:51]And it quite took me by surprise to put one of our case studies,
[10:55]someone was in quite a new house, only six years old,
[10:58]which I assumed Radbot wouldn't be able to do much for.
[11:01]But they said that downstairs was always too hot,
[11:06]whatever they set their TRVs to.
[11:08]And upstairs was so cold that they
[11:09]had to run an electric heater.
[11:12]Well, they put TR of Radbots in, and it stopped both problems
[11:16]because it's presumably the one downstairs
[11:18]was close to their boiler.
[11:19]And Radbots really quite forceful about turning the Rad off
[11:23]when it wants to be.
[11:24]And it let more heat go upstairs when they wanted it.
[11:27]So fabs, so it can stop overheating as well as
[11:30]the other.
[11:31]It's got the boost button.
[11:33]Big problem that used to annoy me as I'm still school resources
[11:36]governor is come to pick my kids up on a cold winter's evening
[11:40]and see all the windows open because they're
[11:41]being a bit cold in the morning, turned everything up to max,
[11:44]forgotten, massively overheated, and they
[11:46]have to turn everything off, all the windows.
[11:50]So you press the boost button.
[11:52]It basically raises the temperature threshold
[11:55]for 10 degrees for half an hour and then goes back
[11:58]to where it was before, so you don't need to remember.
[12:01]Radbot is driven by occupancy and vacancy detection,
[12:03]including some optimum on, optimum off,
[12:05]a mixture of live detection and prediction.
[12:07]So it's got a kind of rolling seven day memory
[12:09]of various things like occupancy level, temperature, and so on.
[12:14]It's got multiple sensors, light, temperature,
[12:16]which it needs to regulate the room temperature, obviously,
[12:19]humidity.
[12:20]So we do some things to reduce condensation risk
[12:23]and use of controls.
[12:24]Outputs, it's got motor valve controls.
[12:27]There's a little motor which drives the pin up and down.
[12:32]And some haptics, I can do the equivalent of your phone
[12:34]vibrating to tell you something's going on.
[12:37]There's an LED at the top, and there's a radio.
[12:41]We are probably going to do a cheap one
[12:43]to get costs down with no radio fitted,
[12:45]but nonetheless, it is happy to send properly
[12:48]encrypted stats frames in JSON across the radio, which
[12:54]will get across a typical house, cheap radio.
[12:57]And there's some patent pending cleverness too.
[13:01]We are galloping towards an expedited patent
[13:08]of our first patent, which means it'll land in a year, we hope,
[13:11]and four other ones as well.
[13:13]So I'd have to kill you all if I tell you about some
[13:15]of the stuff that's pending.
[13:17]But lots of it is to do with making lots and lots of value
[13:21]out of the cheap sensors in here.
[13:22]These are not fabulously expensive,
[13:25]highly calibrated sensors, but we can do a lot with them.
[13:28]And so for example, when we use lighting to detect occupants,
[13:31]we're doing all sorts of things.
[13:32]We're doing edge detection.
[13:33]We're looking at how much it wobbles.
[13:35]We're looking at level detection.
[13:36]We look at what typical things are by hour of day and so on.
[13:40]Anyway, on savings in Energy House,
[13:43]which is this Victorian end of terrace inside a lab,
[13:47]we were seeing, for example, 60% savings of energy
[13:50]in the bedrooms, 25% for the whole house.
[13:53]We think realistic is 30% for houses for which it's suited.
[13:59]So if you're in a tiny one bedroom studio or studio flat,
[14:04]which is modern and well insulated,
[14:05]Redpot isn't going to help you much.
[14:07]It wouldn't in a passive house either,
[14:11]because zoning won't have much effect.
[14:12]But if you're in a big old draughty house which
[14:14]loses heat like the clappers, yes, Redpot is your friend.
[14:18]OK, some secrets for you.
[14:20]Now, you can tell me again if I could show you this again
[14:26]after we come off.
[14:27]I'm hoping you can see.
[14:28]I've just taken the lid off of Redpot,
[14:31]and you won't be able to see it.
[14:32]But inside the cap is a little row
[14:34]of pads there, which includes power and serial.
[14:39]So if you look at the Open TRV documentation,
[14:42]you'll see that there's a documented 4800 board 8N1
[14:48]serial interface with a CLI on it, which means you can do
[14:51]things like set the key and the ID
[14:53]and do some other bits and pieces.
[14:56]And any stats, as provided you've got the key.
[15:00]know the IDs, the existing open TRV stats hub and boiler controller received stats,
[15:07]and there is a little graph courtesy of new plot of occupancy from all the sensors, all
[15:15]radiative valves in my house a bit of last month. And if you look carefully, you can
[15:21]probably see the difference. I think that's a weekend first one, the kids in and the kids
[15:25]not in and different patterns of usage during the day, of course, under lockdown, a bit
[15:29]more occupancy that would otherwise be the case. So a summary, it's been an overnight
[15:35]success that took eight years. We've got we receiving accreditations, we've won some awards,
[15:41]we've got 1000 devices still in stock, we're hoping to make, well, 10s of 1000s, if not
[15:46]100,000 next year, we're ready for the green homes grant and eco three, or eco three sorry,
[15:53]is the energy company obligation. Third round of the program where the government pays to
[15:59]put improve the energy performance of the homes of people who are fuel poor or vulnerable.
[16:05]About a quarter of the population is eligible for that. Our aim is save mega tons of co2
[16:11]affordably and simply, we also aim to reduce fuel poverty to put up that horrible eating
[16:16]versus heating dilemma for some people. And we want to go on supporting tinkering in a
[16:21]way that doesn't terrify our investors. So there are some links for you the product has
[16:28]its own page
radbot.com
. There was a count Radbot if you go and search for Radbot in[16:34]Wikipedia. Vestemi is the company. And if you want to go and look at the open TRV reference
[16:42]code which still exists the open source stuff that's in GitHub. And there's also a wiki
[16:47]on there. And if you want to drop me an email, there's my email address.
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Contents
- What problem is being solved?
- What is the solution? Does it work? What about the rest?
- Some history
- Where we are now: SAP, GHG, ECO3
- How does it work?
- Secrets for developers
Problem: climate change, space heating
- Carbon emissions contribute to climate change
- In UK ~10%+ of all carbon emissions from domestic space heating
- Maybe 50% of that is unnecessary
- One huge source of waste: heating empty rooms, eg bedrooms during day
- Another: complex / expensive controls that fox users
- Not everyone has reliable always-on Internet
Solution: soft zoning, Radbot
- Treat each room/rad/TRV as a soft heating 'zone'
- Set back temperature when vacant and likely to be so for next hour or so
- Set back further when more sure, preheat when occupancy predicted
- DON'T require programming or connectivity or attention
- (Reasonable evidence that autonomous measures persist better)
- Occupancy detection is driven by light (in various ways), use of controls and other things (development continues).
- Size of temperature setback is risk-weighted.
Brief history
- ~2009 David MacKay discussions re SEWTHA
- At DECC, what was best carbon bang for buck?
- Late 2012 meeting, home heating including zoning good
- 2013 OpenTRV project
- 2018 Vestemi commercialisation to try to reach >>1bn radiators!
- Tests (Energy House) and trials (ROWR and ECO): yes, it works
Now:
- Sales, sales, sales (every Radbot can save ~0.1tCO2/y)
- Cost reduction, continuous improvement (h/w and data science)
SAP, GHG, ECO3: alphabet soup!
- Where would we be without TLAs and ETLAs? B^>
- Industry awards and key accreditation… SAP
- Standard Assessment Procedure for home Energy Performance Certificate
- SAP score allows use under Green Homes Grant
- Coming: Energy Company Obligation deemed scores for ECO3 programme
How does it work?
- Just like a mechanical TRV, simple display, dial clicks
- Plus boost button!
- Occupancy/vacancy detection
- Prediction and 'usual at this time' 7-day-ish memory
- Sensors: light, temperature, humidity, use of controls
- Outputs: motor valve control (+haptics!), LED, radio
- Some patent-pending cleverness too...
- 60% savings in bedrooms, up to 30% realistic in suitable homes
Some secrets for developers and tinkerers!
- Radbot 2 exposes serial connection (4800 baud, 8n1) for CLI
- Key and ID can be set via the CLI (Command Line Interface)
- JSON stats receivable by OpenTRV stats hub and boiler controller
Summary
- 8 years in the making: in stock!
- Ready for Green Homes Grant and ECO3
- Aim is to save megatonnes of CO2, affordably and simply
- Also aim to help reduce fuel poverty
- Supports tinkering
Get in touch, buy Radbots, cut carbon!
- Damon Hart-Davis
Show Notes
It was a good evening with some familiar faces, about 16 people present, from around the UK.
(The covid-19 pandemic lockdown was a thing...)
Download PDF slides for the talk.
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References
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